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Isaac Lieberman Discusses How His Aston Capital Management Hedge Fund Acts as a Supplier of Non-Bank Liquidity Provisioning

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Published on May 16, 2017
By Eurekahedge on Youtube

Alexander Mearns, CEO of Eurekahedge, Spoke with Mr. Isaac Lieberman, CEO and Founder of Aston Capital Management, a Quantitative Hedge Fund About Managing a Profitable Hedge Fund

Interviewer: Alexander
Interviewee: Isaac

00:03 Alexander: Hello, today we’re talking to Mr. Isaac
00:06 Lieberman, the CEO and founder of Aston
00:10 Capital Management; Aston Capital
00:12 Management is a New York-based
00:13 quantitative hedge fund specializing in
00:16 systematic macro trading strategies,
00:19 currently Aston Capital render
00:21 liquidity provisioning service, within
00:22 the global FX (Forex) markets, and Issac joins us
00:26 today to discuss what a non-bank
00:29 liquidity provider does, how they deploy
00:32 technology, and quantitative pricing
00:34 techniques in this market, and also how
00:37 new players like Aston are establishing
00:39 a presence in this space traditionally
00:41 occupied by the large international
00:44 financial institutions.

00:44 Alexander: Hi, good morning…
00:49 Isaac; thank you for joining us today.
00:51 Maybe you can start off by telling us a
00:54 little bit about your history prior to
00:56 founding Aston Capital.

00:56-01:00 Isaac: Prior to founding Aston,
01:00 capital,

01:01 I ran principal trading businesses in FX
01:04 and fixed income starting in 1996 at
01:07 Bear Sterns, where I was hired with the
01:09 mandate to build standalone principal
01:11 trading businesses using quantitative
01:13 techniques and technology; those
01:16 businesses grew along foreign
01:19 exchange and fixed income lines, across
01:20 multiple products including cash,
01:22 forwards, options, and swaps. And in 2008,
01:28 when JP Morgan took over Bear Stearns, I
01:30 remained with JP Morgan, running the same
01:32 business model along proprietary trading
01:35 and FX and fixed income;
01:35 Alexander: Okay. Thanks…And
01:38 can you tell us why you setup at Aston
01:39 capital?

01:39 Isaac: yeah, it seemed to me that with
01:43 regulation and tier 1 capital charges
01:46 and markets becoming open access and
01:48 with “traumafication” taking place that
01:50 it made a lot of sense to recreate the
01:53 business as a buy-side quantitative hedge
01:55 fund and be able to utilize agile
01:58 technology and establish a market
02:01 presence with investor capital, private
02:04 investor capital, supporting the business

02:06 lines…

02:06-02:09 Alexander: Are you a quantitative hedge fund
02:09 or, are you a non-bank liquidity
02:11 Provider?

02:11 Isaac: We look at ourselves as a
02:13 quantitative hedge fund and liquidity
02:15 provisioning being a business line, and
02:17 that we have investor capital in
02:20 terms of AUM and one of our businesses
02:23 is we provide liquidity in global
02:27 foreign exchange markets five and a half
02:29 days a week 24 hours a day in 31
02:31 currency pairs.

02:31 So, with that sense, we’re
02:34 able to produce solid returns for our
02:37 investor base;

02:37 Alexander: So, you’re using a strategy
02:40 that is a similar strategy to
02:42 what a bank would utilize?

02:42-02:45 Isaac: Our business model has been very similar to
02:47 a FICC (Fixed Income) trading business inside of a bank in
02:50 that you know we have a strong capital
02:52 base; we have agile technology and
02:54 quantitative research systems which
02:56 support liquidity provisioning and risk
02:58 trading strategies.

02:58 The returns of our…
03:00 business model are very similar to the
03:03 returns of a FICC trading business inside of a
03:04 bank. If you look at their quarterly
03:06 earnings, where they break out FICC
03:08 trading on that risk profile, that
03:11 trading profile, that return profile is
03:13 very similar to what Aston Capital is
03:16 producing and aiming to produce.

03:16 In our…
03:18 model, all the returns go directly to our
03:20 investors; our hedge fund investors.

03:23 Alexander: What’s change in the environment? What’s
03:25 changing the regulatory environment
03:26 that’s allowing you to do this? And, why
03:29 the banks are not doing this? Is it purely that
03:31 the cost of tier 1 capital for the banks
03:33 is why we are seeing an influx of
03:35 companies which are getting involved in
03:37 this space? And, will they be…
03:39 successful?

03:40 Isaac: Yeah! Well, tier 1 capital costs are a big
03:43 factor in terms of a banks appetite to
03:46 hold risk on their books; you also have
03:48 the Volcker Rule which limits banks
03:51 ability to take proprietary positional
03:53 risk; in addition to that, you have a
03:57 trend of open access and
03:58 electronification, which allows firms
04:01 against the capital to come on and
04:03 compete and complement banks in the
04:07 primary market with disclosed
04:10 trading relationships. As banks started to…

04:14 act, most agencies input
04:17 and algorithms start to take place in
04:19 terms of executing custom orders
04:21 directly into the market that sets the
04:23 stage for Aston Capital to be liquidity
04:26 provider to those algorithms clearly
04:28 provided to the agency order flow coming
04:31 in to and that’s being presented to us; and
04:34 it also allows us to trade principled
04:36 proprietary trading strategies…
04:39 which is big within our hedge fund
04:41 mandate.

04:41 Alexander: So, what are the main barriers to
04:43 entry for a company such as yourself
04:46 that wants to start up and get involved
04:48 in this space? And, can compete with the…
04:50 you know…with the big boys, such as
04:52 Deutsche Bank and the other larger
04:53 liquidity provider in the FX space?

04:53 Well,
04:56 liquidity provision is a capital
04:58 intensive business, both in in the AUM (Assets under management)
05:01 required to support the capital market
05:03 trading operations, as well as the
05:05 technology infrastructure, and talent
05:08 acquisition to support the quantitative
05:10 research and technology development. It’s
05:13 very important that a company that is in
05:16 the liquid provisioning build their
05:17 technology organically as well as their
05:20 research vehicles; so, the barriers to
05:22 entry are capital and trading capital in
05:27 operating capital.  Additionally, there’s a
05:29 lot of know-how…

05:30 There’s know how and how markets function;
05:32 how they work; how how the core
05:34 ecosystems operate; as well as
05:37 relationships, which is a very big part
05:39 of it. Obviously, we have strong
05:41 relationships with our trading partners
05:42 as well as our consumers of liquidity.

05:46 Alexander: Would it be fair to say that’s sort
05:47 of three things?
05:47 So, you’ve got capital,
05:49 market knowledge, and technology know-how?
05:54 that’s sort of three keys that we have
05:56 which has the capital. As an expertise in
05:58 all three, maybe you can give us some
06:00 ideas of how you use technology to sort
06:02 of maximize returns in the space,
06:04 minimize your risk of course.

06:04 Isaac: We have…
06:06 offices in Tel Aviv and in New York; in
06:09 Tel Aviv is where we build and operate
06:11 all our technology and quantitative
06:13 research; one of the important things to
06:16 understand with technology is how you’re
06:18 going to aggregate a fragmented market,
06:20 how we’re going to find you know,
06:23 the liquidity, risk transfer pricing, being
06:26 able to distribute the liquidity, being
06:27 able to process it and trade. The
06:29 performance metrics are very, very high.

06:31 The people who you’re trading with, the
06:34 consumers of liquidity.
06:35 I’m used to dealing with best-in-class
06:37 liquidity providers. So, for us to
06:40 establish market share and have a market
06:43 presence, I get loyalty from our customer
06:45 base, our clients. We have to have the
06:47 highest standards of performance. So,
06:49 because we build all technology in-house
06:52 we’re able to constantly optimize and
06:54 innovate our technology delivery and
06:57 strategy, and that’s what allows us to
06:59 have our success that we’ve enjoyed so
07:01 far.

07:01 Alexander: When you’re providing as a sort of
07:04 liquidity provider in the FX space,

07:07 what happens in an extreme
07:09 extremely volatile event such as a sort
07:12 of 2008 global financial crisis? How does
07:15 that affect your business?

07:15 Isaac: Our models…
07:18 are designed to trade through all
07:19 periods of volatility, high extreme volatility
07:21 as well as low volatility, but in
07:24 2008-2009 financial crisis,
07:28 we made a point of having continuous
07:29 liquidity to all market conditions.

07:31 Obviously spreads widen and then
07:34 contract and then widen again, and we
07:36 keep our prices relevant to our
07:37 competitors and our peers, and we know
07:40 that by our hit ratios, the amount of
07:42 volumes that we trade, obviously, the
07:44 profitability goes up very well too, and
07:47 we return great returns for our investors,
07:48 when high volatility was completely
07:51 uncorrelated with you know, inverse
07:53 correlation to equities; in that during
07:56 periods of high volatility, we outperform
07:59 and that shows up in our track
08:01 record.

08:01 Alexander: Essentially, high volatile events
08:04 like a financial crisis is not really a
08:06 risk to you then what are?
08:06 Isaac: Well, the…
08:10 largest risk to a business like ours is
08:12 that it requires a very large
08:14 operational infrastructure in order to
08:16 operate on, you know, along
08:19 technology, along connectivity, along the
08:22 debt market data feeds,
08:25 quantitative research; so, there’s a lot
08:28 of fixed costs that go into running a
08:30 liquidity provisioning business.

08:32 Should you go into a period of extremely low
08:34 volatility, which is where volumes become
08:38 subdued and the ability to reprice and
08:40 reprice and price and trade becomes
08:43 more limited, what happens is the returns
08:45 go down; they don’t necessarily
08:48 necessarily collapse, but they tend to
08:50 get muted, but the operational
08:53 cost of the business stays constant; so,
08:56 obviously, we try to budget
08:58 in the volatile times when we’re
09:03 earning more for the anticipation of
09:05 lower volatile periods.So, we could have a
09:07 consistent operating business model.

09:10 Alexander: And, I guess it certainly helps having a big
09:12 bulk of your workforce based in Tel-Aviv
09:14 which is a slightly more different cost
09:17 debt proposition to New York-based tech
09:20 guys.

09:20 Isaac: Yeah, you know, the Tel Aviv
09:22 workforce, we found them; you know, the
09:24 competitive pressures that you have in
09:26 New York and London are not there. A lot
09:28 of the competitive pressures in New York
09:30 and London for tech and quant talent are
09:32 actually coming from compliance these
09:33 days, and more operational infrastructure
09:36 than core front office trading; so, we
09:39 bring front office trading to Tel Aviv
09:41 give the folks there an opportunity to
09:44 engage in careers similar to what they
09:48 would find in New York and London; for
09:50 that, they’re very opportunistic and they
09:52 work very well and a lot of them have
09:54 very strong training coming out of the
09:55 elite military units in the intelligence
09:58 and cyber units of the IDF and that
10:00 serves as a training ground which helps
10:02 us very much in financial engineering.

10:05 Alexander: So, from a customer’s perspective, why would
10:08 they use a country such as Aston as
10:10 opposed to a normal financial institution?

10:12 Isaac: Right. Well, in today’s world is of an
10:15 emphasis on best execution, total cost
10:17 analysis, and with MIFI too coming
10:20 just around the corner.

10:21 This is becoming ever more important; so,
10:24 a customer’s fiduciary responsibility is
10:27 to have as many pricing sources as
10:30 possible and unique pricing to be able
10:33 to demonstrate that they got the best
10:34 possible execution,
10:36 which also will help their returns and
10:38 the fiduciary responsibility to provide
10:42 best execution to investors and
10:45 customers;

10:45 So, when you add a non-bank
10:49 liquidity provider like Aston capital
10:51 into your aggregator, you’re getting a
10:53 unique additional source of pricing and
10:55 risk transfer that wouldn’t be available
10:58 if you just use the traditional set of
11:01 institutions that you normally trade
11:03 with, and that’s where we are value-added
11:05 to everybody’s trading business.

11:05-11:08: Alexander: Thank…
11:08 you Isaac; so, could you just tell me what
11:09 your vision is for the future of your
11:11 business; are you planning to expand
11:13 outside of FX. Aston Capital’s goal:
11:16 Today, we provide liquidity in two
11:19 day settlements, part foreign exchange.

11:20 The goal of the firm is to register as a
11:23 swaps dealer in the US and go vertical
11:26 with an FX and offer liquidity
11:28 provisioning in forwards, in options, NDFs
11:30 and swaps.  After we complete the
11:34 build-out in global foreign exchange,
11:36 we’re going to aggressively move into
11:39 fixed income markets, where we intend to
11:41 be a liquidity provider and build a
11:42 market presence in government bonds,
11:44 corporate bonds, inflation products,
11:47 structured products, swaps and options.

11:50 From there, we’ll continue to build out
11:52 additional product lines within the fixed
11:54 income markets.

11:56 Alexander: What type of investor does this strategy appeal to?
11:59 who are you having conversations with, and
12:01 which ones are sharing an interest.

12:05 Isaac: Our strategy fits into systematic
12:07 macro; with systematic, we take a
12:10 very macro approach in the way that we
12:12 engage capital markets, and what we’re
12:15 finding is that as large institutional
12:18 investors and that could be fund to
12:22 funds or it could be primary endowments
12:25 or family offices, or even private equity
12:28 firms, look at our business model and
12:30 they see the consistency of the run rate
12:32 and the yield which is a return on
12:35 equity to them; they start to see that
12:37 this investing in asset capital as a
12:39 hedge fund would be very similar to

12:42 Investing directly in a trading business, in a
12:44 large financial institution, as opposed
12:47 to buying the stocks; imagine if you could get
12:48 the returns of the trading desk directed
12:50 to you as yield on your investment;
12:52 so, as the model is getting
12:55 better understood, we think that and
12:58 believe that a lot of financial
13:01 institutions, whether they be private
13:03 equity firms, fund to funds, endowments,
13:06 private offices, high net worth
13:09 individuals, will want to invest in our
13:12 business; and additionally, we know that
13:14 they have done research where they have
13:16 taken our daily returns and overlay them
13:19 on the global portfolio of equities and
13:22 credit and saw this as a great hedge for
13:24 volatility because our business model
13:27 obviously as a liquidity provider,
13:28 outperforms when a lot of those markets
13:31 are under considerable stress.

13:31-13:35 Alexander: I think that was a super interfere and you’re
13:36 really enlightening on your strategy. I
13:39 personally find it very interesting, and
13:40 I wish you all the best.

13:42 Isaac: Thank you very much; it was a pleasure
13:44 talking to you today.


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